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Scott Davis's avatar

Dani, I agree with Mark that there’s some distinction to be made, perhaps between some modern concept of self-sacrifice that you’re responding to (and I think there’s something helpful in what you’re saying) and the biblical concept of sacrifice.

Could you tease out what you are meaning by self sacrifice as negative versus the biblical concepts in Psalm 51:17 and in Romans 12. “ Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.”

I do think theres something really good in surrendering the good we think we need for the good that God offers us. You seem to be saying that. And isn’t that part of what Romans 12 means by a holy sacrifice?

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Matt Marlowe's avatar

I think it primarily depends on how we frame sacrifice as such. Do we frame it as giving up an objective good for God, or as giving up what we would want, what we would consider a good, for God? If we frame it as the former, as I think you have, then no, singleness/celibacy is not a sacrifice, as it is an objective good in it's own right. But if we frame it in terms of what one would like for oneself, then it can genuinely be a sacrifice. As someone who, if it was totally up to me, would have liked to have entered into a relationship and to have sex, but feels that God is calling me to celibacy, I have, particularly in the past, framed it in terms of sacrifice. I have said to myself "this is not what I would choose, but God is calling me here so I will be obedient and sacrifice this thing that I would like". I think this is somewhat similar to how scripture frames sacrifice of wealth. Scripture does not consider wealth itself a good, but is still willing to frame giving it up for God in terms of a sacrifice, because it is true that us humans often consider it a good that we would find it difficult to give up.

Maybe sacrifice is not the best way of framing it, and that the virtue of obedience is a better way of framing it (not that they are mutually exclusive). But I can understand why people sometimes consider their singleness/celibacy for God a sacrifice. What we need to be doing instead is to help people to recognise the good of singleness and celibacy itself, and make it easier for them to live such a life through discipleship and the fellowship of the holy spirit.

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