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Gavin McKinley's avatar

Not sure I'm convinced of your opinion about this passage.

However, I do admire and respect [and am a bit jealous of] your writing ability.

My reason for questioning this is that it seems like one of those situations God lets me handle that I can't imagine ever handling! The world assures me that the intolerable shouldn't be tolerated, but sometimes God lets me tolerate it anyway.

For instance, I've been fired and declared disabled, but still have 4 kids at home. My wife, who's 53, had to go back to work, working nights, to support us. It's a very great struggle to be positive and a good parent right now, and if I ever am it's because God's helping.

Can't say exactly how God helps in the situation you describe: but I know He's helped me when there was no hope.

So we can't interpret scripture based on what's humanly possible.

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Timothy Man's avatar

Hi, Dani. I'm also kinda on another outsider angle concerning this choice versus circumstance dilemma. I know it is kind of harsh to read the comments when the easiest things to highlight are the disagreements, so I almost decided not to speak; but as a first timer, I think I will at least see how it goes.

There is also still more you have left to say, which will be in part 3. I hope that answers on some of these comments again, or if you reply directly, this is still an area i struggle with, though i struggle more confidently than i used to, yet my mind is open to scrutiny and change, and I hope my writings don't completely close that understanding off for you of what my mind is really like at a foundational level.

I believe there is some error in saying that God says we require or need marriage in the sense it seems to be often understood. Tons of verses could be given for both sides of that, but ultimately we do not actually require marriage as an automatic given. Choices and life situations take place which make a man or woman, and either render that person to be more wise to marry, or more wise to stay single. And then even on that level, some people who would be better off being married to a good marriage are not presented options for a "good" marriage, and if their options for marriage are not good (good in terms of equal spiritual yoke, or virtuously spiritually wise type of good) , then again, they are better off not married, and should remain unmarried, at least until a good option does come along. If every Christian were presented only bad options, Christians would start to hopefully see that everyone can indeed make it without marriage if they simply maintained a solid relationship with God, no matter how strong their bodily functions should oppose them. God simply does not require marriage for anyone, but he does recommend it to some, and not to others. But not to anyone before the good options can be found. I don't know how you take I Cor. 7, I guess I haven't read you enough if you have written on it. But the tipping point is kinda after the two have already met and bonded. Of course, we cannot, and should not prevent good strong bonds, specifically if they are toward spiritual good, and not toward spiritual hinderance. Some bodily functions are pretty extreme, and can make these bonds dangerous to leave in their current direction without a resolution in either marriage or cutting back on the friendship strength, and at that point, some are recommended to marry if it is good, after that requirement point. If the requirement point is not assumed and the friendship seems like it can go on without things being so risky, Paul says it is better to just stay in the unmarried friendship type, because of course, the availability to God and lack of danger to us is assumed.

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